International Women's Day was last week sometime, and apparently there was a movement to blog about women's issues issues for a day. Well, between American holidays and the various Greek festivals, I have enough to keep track of, and didn't really notice International Women's Day until it was kind of late. However, I do feel a little bad about the fact that, given a good opportunity to discuss issues of social relevance, I chose to write about sandwiches.
(All right, I don't feel that bad after all. I really like sandwiches. However, I've now exhausted that topic, so here it comes; the Social Issues Post. You knew it was coming. I went to Grinnell, after all.)
This is about gender, but not about women. See, I saw Brokeback Mountain a couple of weeks ago, at a theatre in downtown Thessaloniki. The place was about half full. All was quiet for the first forty minutes or so; until the first sex scene. At the moment the two cowboys started, well, getting intimate, this audible gasp and murmur rose from the crowd, and didn't subside until the camera had returned to grazing sheep and mountain streams and whatnot. Now, I understand that watching sex scenes is not always the most comfortable experience, and sex scenes between men are few and far between in Hollywood films. But the whole thing got me thinking about homosexuality in Greece, which is something of a puzzle to me.
On the one hand, Greece is the land of Achilles and Patroclus, Alexander the Great, and Sappho. On the other hand, I've noticed that some modern Greeks are not exactly as gay-friendly as their ancestors. It's not that people here are hateful towards gays, they just seem to regard homosexuality as something, well, weird. My interpretation is that, to Greeks, same-sex relationships are kind of like eating a nutella and mayonaise sandwich. It's not a crime, it's just, well, strange, and vaguely distasteful.
I was talking to an eight grade dorm student the other day, asking him what movies he likes. "I just saw Alexander," he said. "It was pretty good, but the filmmakers changed some things from the history."
"Oh yeah?" I said. "Well, movies do that a lot. What did they change?"
"Well," said the eighth grader, "They showed a man kissing Alexander!"
"Uh," I said. "I think that actually happened."
He gave me the sort of look I might give you if you told me that Abraham Lincoln was a drag queen. It wasn't defensive look, or an offended one, just a what-are-you-talking-about look. "No," he said. "That didn't happen." I let the subject drop.
And then there was the Greek acquaintance of mine who once explained to me that "Men eat meat. If a guy just eats a lot of vegetables, well, then he's gay." I raised my eyebrows at this, and explained that a lot of people, including my boyfriend, would be very interested to hear this. "Well" said my friend. "Maybe it's not true for American men. But it's true for Greeks." Recently the same friend snickered at the sight of a Brokeback Mountain poster and told me "I could never see that movie. Gay cowboys? I would just laugh through the whole thing."
Of course, I am definitely not suggesting that all Greeks are homophobic, or that all Americans are completely gay friendly. In fact, there seem to be a lot of Americans who are more openly hateful towards gays than I have ever seen any Greek become. I'm sure a lot of Americans reacted pretty strongly to the aformentioned scenes in Brokeback Mountain. I'm sure plenty of them did a lot more than gasp. And when it comes to blatant insensitivity, how can I forget an American acquaintance of mine who repeatedly referred to everyone and everything that she did not personally care for as "gay." At one point, she actually told me "My father won't let me use the car. He's being totally gay about it." I didn't know whether to laugh, cry, or enquire as to which adoption agency had brought her family together.
I guess I just want to know why I heard gasps of shock during a male sex scene, but no aubible reaction whatsoever when George Clooney got his fingernails pulled out during Syriana, or when several people were gunned down in cold blood during Match Point. And, speaking of cold blood, I didn't hear much of a reaction during the opening scene of Capote, when a teenage girl was discovered murdered in her bed, with blood spattered all over the wall. We're used to seeing this things on film, I guess. But sex between men? Shocking!
So homophobia exists everywhere, I guess, and maybe it's not fair of me to gauge the Greek attitude towards homosexuality through the lens of American movies. I just can't quite pin down the Greek attitudes, which are slightly different than the American ones. There's no Fred Phelps here. But there's no gay pride parade either. (At least, if there is, I haven't heard about it.) In any case, I'm glad I felt out the territory before I was asked to teach any more Walt Whitman.
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Great post. I also find it weird how Greeks refer to people as being gay for the slightest thing. ie when they are not being macho.
BTW there is a gay pride parade but it doesn't get much exposure. It happens in June every year. I haven't got a direct link for the event but I announced last years march here
With the comments the head of the Orthodox Church has made about homosexuality, I guess it isn't surprising.
In the end, I don't really think that it is that Greeks are homophobic or anti-gay or anything, I think that they are just very vanilla. I say that mostly based on interactions with in-laws of various ages (from 12 to 60) and their friends. I think they just aren't sure what to think, or how to react.
But you are definitely right, gay lovemaking is shocking, horrible violence is not. Is that screwed up? Quite. But I don't think that is just Greeks, either. I can't imagine what the showings of Brokeback were like in Tennessee.
Of course, this is coming from a girl who laughed loudly when the guy got his head shot off in the car in Pulp Fiction. So I guess I am just as screwed up as the rest of them.
Are Greeks in denial about their homosexual past? You betcha. I guess I can't really blame them. Such things are confusing in today's world, where everyone's business seems to matter a bit too much.
Greeks do not believe that Alexander was gay. In fact, a group of Greek lawyers tried to sue Oliver Stone for his portrayal of Alexander as a gay man. Emily, do some googling and you will find out there reasons for their point of view.
Were you purposely using Abe Lincoln as a gay American example? Because he was totally gay (according to some people).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1376919,00.html
He was the original log cabin Republican.
I've had to argue against gay as a pejorative adjective several times with Greek teens.
You can't necessarily "blame them" for their ignorance/homophobia, but I think you can blame grown up Greeks who try to whitewash their history to make it more palatable to our modern morals.
deviousdiva, I'm glad you like the post!
melusina, I see what you mean. Greeks don't seem hateful towards gays, especially not in comparison to some really intolerant Americans. It's just something unfamiliar, perhaps. Coming from an extremely, extremely politically correct background (the Upper west side of Manhattan, followed by super liberal gay-friendly Grinnell College) I react very strongly when I hear people making generalizations or using stereotypes. I've always been taught that that is COMPLETELY unacceptable. So maybe I overreavt sometimes. I also sometimes react very strongly to Greeks who make gender generalizations, ie, "ah, women just love to shop!" I don't think these comments are ever intended to cause offense, but they can sometimes make me feel defensive.
alexanderaki, that's interesting. Actually, my understanding of classical ideas about this sort of thing is that people didn't view homosexuality in the same way; that is, being attracted to men was not viewed as strange behavior for men who might normally prefer women. I haven't done much in depth research on the matter, but the fact is that there does seem to be a reason for showing Alexander's attraction to men.
Brad; Yay! I'm glad someone caught that. Yeah, Lincoln definitely wasn't a drag queen, but it seems like he might have been gay, or at least interested in men. I personally suspect, after reading several different versions of Leaves of Grass, that Whitman had a big crush on him, too. But that says more about Whitman than it does about Lincoln. And, of course, it definitely says that the greeks aren't the only ones who whitewash their history.
Very interesting topic... I've wondered about it myself and finally I agree with Melusina's analysis of the matter. Greeks just seem a bit... perturbed by homosexuality, without feeling hostility towards homosexuals themselves. I recently read quite a nice book by an ex-pat living in Greece - I think it was called Tales From a Greek Village or something along those lines (? Help me out here someone) where the author recounted a story about two gay men who wanted to move to a remote Greek village but were afraid of the reaction they would get. They debated and debated whether they should get this perfect house they had found, and finally made up their minds following a conversation with the owner: "Do you have a brother?" he asked the one. "No" was the reply. "And you?" he asked the other. Again no. "Ah! well," he said, understanding spreading across his face. "You're just two people in search of a brother to love" (or something along those lines). The two men bought the house.
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